Arsenal Should Sign Usmanov’s PR Team, Cesc Commitment Commendable

Apologies for being two days behind a story once again but having given a great deal of time during the season, I am trying to balance it during the summer. And while I do let a lot of rumours and events go by without comment, this PR stunt from Alisher Usmanov is hard to ignore.

I don’t want to repeat the comments as they’ve been all over the internet. Just in case you missed them the link above provides the full statement.

Telling people what they want to hear – it is usually an art mastered by successful politicians but any entity, be it an individual or an organization, that is connected with the masses has to, at some point or the other, rely on this skill to steady the ship or get the weight of popular support.

In the past I have mentioned that the Arsenal manager and players often give very honest and intelligent interviews that come back to bite them in the, well, arse. While the discerning readers/listeners appreciate their comments, they get twisted by the media and the mass opinion is often manipulated to the detriment of the club and the squad.

The point is not that people are stupid. But I strongly believe that collective or popular opinion is often ill-informed and illogical. It works on the principle that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth. Those who scan the internet with a perceptive eye will have noticed how many people voice an opinion just because they think everyone else is saying it. An individual’s power to rationally judge right or wrong is indirectly proportional to the number of times he or she reads a particular twist on a story.

Let’s consider the Usmanov statement. To me it appears to be a blatant PR exercise where his team have captured the pulse of the disgruntled fans and succinctly captured the sentiment expressed by many. Such a simple exercise has done a lot to increase the support for the Russian who was widely regarded as untouchable just a few months ago. Many fans now think it might have been better if the current board had sold out to Usmanov instead of Kroenke. Some are even demanding similar rhetoric from Silent Stan.

But does the Russian oligarch really have Arsenal’s best interests at heart? His actions don’t support his words which seem hollow, appeasing, and meant to lure in the gullible.

Lady Nina wanted to sell her shares but there was no taker for a long while. One might wonder, why didn’t Usmanov make her an offer she couldn’t refuse? What is the point of offering £14,000 per share now when such an offer earlier could have taken him in the 40-42 per cent share bracket? Subsequently, he could have released a statement like the one he has done now, and with promise of significant investment he might have been able to acquire a portion of the minority shares. Who’s to say he would not have crossed the halfway mark? Some of the directors opposed to him might also have been tempted by such a generous offer. After all, doesn’t the Russian claim that they were in it for the money?

The simple fact is that Usmanov didn’t act when he could have and was probably caught off-guard by the suddenness of the deal between Kroenke and the others. So it is safe to say he didn’t put his money where his mouth is.

Then there was the other publicity stunt where Usmanov offered to donate shares to the AST if Kroenke matched him. What prevented him from donating a few shares unilaterally and unconditionally? Surely, it would not have put a dent in his considerable fortune! That would have shown his intent and put the ball firmly in the American’s court. It’s just another instance where his words were not backed up by action.

Ultimately, this is a big money game and fans would be naive to assume anything else no matter the spin put on the story. I have my issues with the previous owners who were not perfect and could undeniably have done better. But that doesn’t mean Usmanov is different nor is he the saviour.

In another public statement of significance, Cesc Fabregas has reaffirmed his interest in joining Barcelona and his loyalty to Arsenal. Those who have seen through the unabashed lies and concocted tales surrounding this saga have always known the few hard facts that matter.

Fabregas wants to go to Barcelona. To be honest, I don’t grudge him that wish. It is natural to dream to be part of something great. Which football player worth his salt would not want to play with Messi? More so if one has grown up playing with the phenomenon.

Equally important is the fact that El Capitan has immense respect for the club, the manager, his team-mates, and the fans. He does not want to throw a tantrum to engineer a move he craves. Only a man with impeccable values can behave in the way that Fabregas has done. Those values must be cherished and respected, especially in the modern world. Fans have to give him space for his individual desires and hopes while admiring his principles and collective based actions and decision making.

I don’t think anyone will be surprised when this transfer eventually happens. It could still happen this summer but only if Arsenal are convinced such a move is in their best interests. That is the key. For that, Barcelona have to cough up a small fortune to sign the only player in the world who can significantly improve that superb squad. I am not sure the Catalans can afford that after the Ibrahimovic fiasco. And I am absolutely certain Wenger will not succumb to the incessant pressure tactics from Spain, or the baseless rumours in the media followed by meaningless but extremely annoying noise on the internet, none of which is likely to cease anytime soon.

Looking back at the events of the summer so far, it seems to be heading in the right direction.


45 Responses to Arsenal Should Sign Usmanov’s PR Team, Cesc Commitment Commendable

  1. dan says:

    The simple fact is that Usmanov didn’t act when he could have and was probably caught off-guard by the suddenness of the deal between Kroenke and the others. So it is safe to say he didn’t put his money where his mouth is.

    The above statement desi is extremely speculative at best and unmentionable at worst. You clearly have no clue what goes on behind closed doors. Usmanov may well have had a standing offer for shares to the other major holders during that time. This is thoughtless, punk journalism and to top it off you slate the tabloid media when you are no better??

    • G4L says:

      He definitely made an offer but was it an offer they could not refuse. That was the point of the article. If he thinks the board only wanted money, surely he could have offered a lot more than Kroenke. It kind of contradicts what he said.

      Very few people know what’s going on behind the scenes so it is assumed that such blog posts will be speculative. What else do you expect? We must ask whether the speculation seems reasonable or is based on ulterior motives. I think most serious bloggers speculate rationally and that makes them better than the media for an analytical or objective opinion.

      There is no speculation in saying Usmanov didn’t donate a few shares, is there?

      Funnily enough your counter argument is nothing more than speculation either.

      Why do I get the feeling your apparent resentment comes from the possibility that you see yourself among those mentioned as the “gullible” who have fallen for the words while ignoring the actions.

      • dan says:

        g4l, when you can construct an agument I’ll look forward to it.

        Without knowing the words or actions going on behind the scenes you believe your views with conviction? Mate maybe you should focus more on thought and less on feeling?

        Few beyond the real insiders truly knows what’s going on, I merely held that to the light.

      • G4L says:

        dan I really feel sorry for you.

        Based on your views no one should have any opinion on most things in life because we rarely know what is going on behind the scenes.

        Your first post is a classic example – When you say ” You clearly have no clue what goes on behind closed doors.” you really don’t have any information to make that statement. You don’t know what Desi does or does not know. Your statement is reasonable because for a blogger who is based in US it is unlikely that he will have the kind of contacts required to know the intimate details of a deal. That is all you are doing – reasonable speculation – and it is acceptable.

        But by denying others the right to that you are making a fool of yourself. Come back when you understand words like argument and speculation.

      • dan says:

        there you go with those ‘feelings’ again. Keep that up and you’ll be in a twist mate.

      • G4L says:

        Sorry dan, my bad. Didn’t realize you were talking to yourself all this while. Get well soon.

    • notdan says:

      dan, do you really think you are bringing anything to light by merely stating a vague possibility that an offer from Usmanov existed?

      I could say there is a possibility that the referees were against Arsenal and in favour of United. Since you don’t have definitive proof otherwise you cannot argue against this. By extension you cannot argue against the manager or the players either because you have no proof that Arsenal didn’t suffer due to ref decisions. By your reasoning, no one can insist the same players and manager would not have been champions but for the referees. Writers on Untold Arsenal do believe, and with good evidence, that we could have won if the refs had been neutral.

      Do you have the courage to bring this to light when all the doom mongers are at it? But wait, first I must confirm if you even get the point?

      • dan says:

        Courage takes into account things like accountability, things you obviously are not familiar with if blaming the refs is your bailiwick. I should say Wenger has been a poor example for you, is that fair to speculate, given his words and deeds in public? As for Desi and this biased fruitcake of a blog, well better days I hope. And as for Untold Arenal, what more is there to say, it should be left untold as it is hardly worth mention. Every team can devote weeks and hours to the same things that contribute absolutely nothing. Have a jolly good one mate.

      • notdan says:

        dan, when you can construct an agument I’ll look forward to it.

        Without knowing the words or actions going on behind the scenes (in re refs) you believe your views with conviction? Mate maybe you should focus more on thought and less on feeling?

        Few beyond the real insiders truly knows what’s going on, I merely held that to the light.

        Meanwhile, don’t get your knickers in twist with all the emotion running high.

  2. crazy gunner says:

    1st

  3. Mark says:

    Desi,

    I respect Cesc, but isn’t time he leaves? how can he be expected to lead our team if his heart is in Barcelona? Don’t you think that the situation with our captain is -one- of the reasons for the team not performing sometimes?

    • Siddhant says:

      Mark,

      EVERY player in the world (apart from maybe Casillas, Ramos and other loyal Madrid players) wants to play for Barcelona right now. You name them. Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Torres, Silva, Nasri, etc. Every player secretly hopes that Barcelona is monitoring them and would sign them up. Obviously, none of them would come out and say it since it’d be a PR blunder. Cesc has come out and said what has been going through his mind. He has been completely honest with the Arsenal supporters. I really admire that. But maybe that has been his one big mistake.

      I think it’s completely natural that Cesc wants to join Barca, especially because it’s his boyhood city and boyhood club and boyhood teammates and friends. Barcelona are creating history here and no one should begrudge Cesc for being a part of it.

      But I’m certain that if he stays, he’ll be 100% committed to the Arsenal. I don’t understand the whole ‘his heart is in Barcelona’ debate. Do people really think Cesc is thinking about Barcelona when he’s about to play a through ball to RvP? Is he thinking about his teammates Messi, Puyol, Pique,etc when he’s busting his guts to get back the ball? He deserves great admiration and respect for the professionalism he has shown in the last few years. He is a true captain and leader and I hope he stays at this club for a long time to come. At the same time, I’m concerned that he’ll driven out of the club by some so-called fans.

      • G4L says:

        Bravo Siddhant! Well said.

        Any player who claims he doesn’t want to play for Barcelona is either lying or lacks the quality to play in that team and is therefore feigning disinterest to cover that up. Although, as you pointed out, there might be some players in rival teams who might not want to switch colours.

        However, I am still in favour of letting Fabregas go if we can get good money for him. He should not be sold for pittance just because he wants to go.

      • Mark says:

        Siddhant,

        You are missing my point. I understand Cesc and I think he is the best midfielder in the world. But I think a captain should lead by example, for how can he motivate Nasri, RvP and others if the whole world knows if Barcelona had the funds to buy him, he would leave us in a heartbeat. Because I respect him and because of my love for Arsenal I believe we should have a captain in the spirit of Wilshere/RvP/Vermaelen.
        Don’t get me wrong: I am just sick of hearing about Barcelona. I want Arsenal to become the best in the world, for Wenger’ dream to be realized. And because of that, I think Cesc is holding us back, for what is the point of building our team around him, when we know he can/will leave if Barcelona came up with the money.

      • richie says:

        Sorry Mark but I think you’ve missed the point. Name any great player who wouldn’t want to join Barca? Thats the point. Even average players dream about joining Barca. If a club that is widely recognised as playing the best football in the world takes an interest in a player wouldn’t that player beg to be allowed to join them. The fact that Cesc would want to rejoin his boyhood club thats close to his family home, thats where many of his childhood friends live, that speak his native language should be understandable to all. Under those circumstances the fact that Cesc has been professional enough to honor his contract should be highly commended.

      • richie says:

        Siddhant you’ve summed up the situation perfectly. Cesc has been a true pro for the way he’s conducted himself. The way he continues to conduct himself. I remember Cesc in last season’s games against Barca, he gave everything! No one could question his commitment for Arsenal against Barca. Badly injured I’ll never forget him taking the pen, at that moment he was Mr Arsenal.

        How can anyone who watches this game, and loves the sport question any player who says given the choice I’d like to play for Barca. They are currently the “Harlem Globe Trotters” of football. If only for too short a period many Arsenal fans have been fortunate enough to know what that feels like. When we boasted with the fastest attacking team around that contained some of the most creative players. We had a certain swagger.
        Barca are easily the best club side around and if your son played football you’d want the best for him, you’d want Barca for him, and he’d want the same. Thats why its important that Siddhant stated the facts.

        As for us I firmly believe Arsene has started a revolution at Arsenal, but we are 20 years behind Barca. Johan Croyff (Himself a product of Ajax’s academy) started “La Masia” Barca’s academy in 1979 eleven years after it started a certain Pep Guardiola emerged from – Arsene Wenger only got our Academy rolling in 99. That 20 year head start is one reason we ain’t anywhere near Barca’s level yet. But those of us who want to keep our nerve and continue on the developement road have already seen the green shoots of what could be possible. I just hope nothing is allowed to derail the revolution.

    • Steve says:

      Cesc should stay but RvP should be captain. The change won’t be easy but it is a must and Fabregas should renounce captaincy of his own volition. Van Persie has shown he loves the club and deserves the honour. He also has the aggressive body language and stare that we need in a leader.

      • sam says:

        Give the captaincy to a player who can play atleast 30 games a season. Thats why giggs &company were denied and given to vidic. Only Vermalaen is right in case cesc leaves it.

  4. Dark Prince says:

    Ok, i have to disagree with you on lots of points regarding Usmanov. No doubt, he did garner lots of support with his comments, but to say that it was blatant PR exercise is a bit too much. “His actions dont support his words.”?? What can he do when he’s not invited into the board of directors even though having almost a massive 30% of the stake of Arsenal??

    Plus, you assumed from tabloids that Lady Nina wanted to sell her shares. Then you should also believe when the tabloids said that Lady Nina will not sell her shares to Usmanov, whatever the price be. As far as i remember, the whole of the previous Board was pretty much against Usmanov. Remember, the previous board had lots of family history in Arsenal, so dont expect them to go against each other. So i dont think whatever price Usmanov had offered, cud have made Lady Nina sell her shares to him.

    Plus regarding the donation of shares, you fail to see that Usmanov was ready to sacrifice his own shares, even though everyone knew that he wont be able to increase his shares ever again bcoz none of the rest shares were available to him, simple bcoz no one in the board was willing to sell him. The reason he didn’t want to sell was probably bcoz, he wanted to retain whatever shares he has. Atleast he did say it, and Stan blatantly refused it, which doesn’t bode well on Stan’s image as well. Lets be clear, Stan has nothing to lose by donating a few shares, bcoz he’s already got more than 65% stake, a few marginal donations could not have affected him either, so you have to answer on why Stan never agreed with Usmanov’s idea?? I’d love to hear you answer…

    Plus, by your comments, you have already ruled out that Usmanov would have never done anything without any reason. Plus as a well known businessman in his country, whose company is a listed, it wont bode well to lie blatantly in public. So in a fair sense, his words would have been meaningful, but unfortunately, we’ll never be able to prove anything bcoz he simply doesn’t have the power to do anything.

    Have to ask you another question though, why do you think Usmanov has never even been brought into the board of directors?? Bcoz in that case, some of his words could have been tested…

    • G4L says:

      Dark Prince,

      He could have done a lot without being on the board

      1) He could have given some shares to the supporters – Do you think by giving 3-4 shares he would have lost much?
      2) He could have made an obscene offer to the shareholders at least some of them.
      3) He could have been more transparent about his motives rather than playing such games – offering to give shares to supporters is nothing more than a gimmick IMO

      So you think Lady Nina, who was unceremoniously dumped by the board, still didn’t want to sell to Usmanov even at an exaggerated rate? The media reports that I read suggest that she was willing to sell to anyone for a price which was not as high at 14K pounds per share but between 12 and 13. I have not read a single report claiming that Usmanov offered her that kind of money.

      If we assume that LN didn’t want to sell to Usmanov even after being evicted then don’t you think there must be something seriously wrong with the Uzbek? Or do you really believe everyone else is dumb and he is the only saviour?

  5. Loyal Gooner says:

    The truth is that Nina and Danni wouldn’t sell to Alisher even he offered that amounts, and everyone who follow the Arsenal board knows that.

  6. AidanGooner says:

    He is from Uzbekistan, not Russia. Personally, I feel it is disgraceful the extent to which Usmanov is clearly being frozen out.

    • Miranda says:

      They didn’t trust Usmanov and I can’t help wondering whether there wasn’t an element of snobbery, even racism, in this. Hill-Wood didn’t want Kroenke either initially and for reasons that sounded very like snobbery – ‘we don’t need his sort here’ – but once they were up against it and faced with a choice, perhaps the board felt more comfortable with an old-fashioned, white American capitalist than a swathy-skinned new billionaire from a – as they may have seen it – obscure, mafia-infested place like Uzbekistan. Far-fetched? Well maybe, but I’m constantly struck by the prejudice against the Arab owners evident in places like FiveLive.

  7. Sameer says:

    I think Arsenal need Usmanov but it is hard to rely on the intentions of a man who doesn’t act in accordance with his words. There must be a reason he is frozen out. Maybe right, maybe wrong but it must be strong. I want better communication from everyone. Silent Stan should change himself to become talking Stan. If we know his reasons we can support his decisions.

  8. Miranda says:

    I’m in favour of Usmanov because I’m in favour of multiple ownership. Even if you like and trust Kroenke, having one individual, family or company in sole control is a scary thing. Kroenke himself may be reasonably competent and ethical but what of his successors, i.e. his heirs or whoever he sells us to? He has given no guarantees; he knows that he can’t do because the situation in 15 years or in 50 is completely unknown. Multiple ownership at least gives us some protection against the greed, incompetence or simple misfortune (ill health, bankruptcy, whatever) of a single individual.

    Ideally this multiple should be understood as custodianship, but we’ve lost that now, and there’s nothing to be done about it – it’s died with the old generation. What we’ve got instead is three types of owner:
    1. Profiteering: the Americans, Kroenke, the Glazers, Hicks and Gillette, who are in it purely for the money, US sports not being as global as football and therefore not such a lucrative investment.
    2. Train-set: Abramovich who wants to make the signings and pick the team.
    3. Yacht: Usmanov who wants a status symbol and is in it to out-Abrambrovich Abramovich.

    Frankly, at least in the short term, owner type 3 is probably the best bet.

  9. G4L says:

    Miranda, beware what you say. There are people on this forum who will say this is just speculation and unmentionable. How dare you talk about something without inside information.

    Jokes aside, I am actually in favour of multiple owners but you cannot have that and option 3 simultaneously. That’s like eating your cake and having it too.

    May I know what makes you feel Usmanov is not in it for profiteering? And wasn’t the earlier custodian model nothing more than profiteering? Earlier generations didn’t have the chance to sell out at such lucrative values so they didn’t but the moment someone showed money people sold their heirlooms. Isn’t that a bigger shame than the Americans buying it for a clearly understood intent of profit?

    • Miranda says:

      Of course I don’t know that he’s not in it for profit, but Abramovich certainly isn’t – for him it’s a toy – and Usmanov is mega-mega rich, almost as rich as the people who’ve bought City, so it would seem likely that his motives are closer to theirs than to, say, the Glazers or Kroenke who are sports-empire capitalists seeking to diversify.

  10. irish gooner says:

    if usmanov has all these billions then i cant see how having him on the board can be bad,,, my opinion is this :::he owns 26% or sumtin so why not give him a seat on da board,,,,i think dein is involved wit him so that cant be bad,,,use HIS money to clear some dept and also transfers which he has promised,,,uzbekys probably love football more than a yank,,,i would rather have usmanov than silent stan,,,always remember that the current board are only lining der own pockets while ripping us off ,,,,with dein in his corner plus multipl billions in his pocket,,,,,,id take usmanov all day

  11. AP says:

    One who wants you to improve will tell you your blind spots directly, one who has other motives will point them to others. The question to be asked is whether rhetorical criticism in this way is the best method to find a creative solution or not. And if one believes this is not the best method, then one will naturally question ulterior motives.

    “Simple commercial logic” – and guess who always has the responsibility and accountability to translate that logic to technical actionable details. Not Usmanov.

    “Agreeing with commentators” – in effect, sounds like, i dont really have an independent thought and i am naming commentators to make whatever follows sound authentic. Classic case of seeking Credibility by association.

    Description of a board member’s role is the height of rhetoric-speak. The whole argument starts with a rhetorical, assumed, unfair and untrue premise, and would look much like a castle in the air if one could paint it. It sounds almost as convincing as someone like Crouch declaring that as Barca play tippy-tappy football and pass a lot and rarely cross much for headers, i would not want to be on their team.

    I was eventually left wondering what in the whole content of the statement was really something that could qualify as an “insight” coming from the “owner”. Everything looks like it could’ve easily been written by any disillusioned supporter on the outside as long as he read enough blogs and articles.

  12. Steve says:

    I want to see Usmanov invest some of his billions in the club. As you said in one of your earlier posts, there should be a fresh issue of equity and money should be invested in the club by both the billionaire owners.

    Despite that, I also agree with the sentiment of this post – Can anyone identify one act by Alisher Usmanov that has benefited the club (that includes fans, manager, players, and all the staff).

    “It’s only words, and words are all I have, to take your away.”

  13. Miranda says:

    Off topic, but how I detest Stuart Pearce. Moaning about Arsenal’s selfishness in protecting Wilshere from playing every game in the calender, having not even wanted him in the squad for the last tournament – Pearce preferred Cattermole – and only including Walcott after he’d come to his attention by scoring a hat-trick for the senior team. He really seems incapable of valuing anything except clodish defensive-minded players – Mancienne in midfield! – that he’s been able to watch on TV from the comfort of his sofa. Lansbury hasn’t started a game for the under-21s but when he comes on England actually buck up a bit – unsurprisingly since Lansbury, unlike most of the others, can control the ball and pick out a pass. I bet if Lansbury has a good but tiring next season for Arsenal Pearce will then demand he’s made available for England regardless of his state of fitness. Compare Pearce to his equivalents from, say, Holland who are often at Arsenal watching Ebecillio and Ozyakup and keeping abreast of their progress. Maybe the caveman detests Arsenal and everything it stands for – I notice he’s rejected Muamba too, in favour of Mancienne, played out of position. Whatever, he’s unbelievably lazy and clueless.

  14. Phil23 says:

    I don’t think Barca can claim to wanting Cesc very much. All I hear is “Barcelona are too poor to buy Cesc”. So tell me this… Why are they buying ANOTHER striker for 30m? Why are they looking at buying ANOTHER winger for 30m+? Why are they looking at buying another 30m+ attacking midfielder? Its a joke because everyone knows they gave a 40m transfer budget and could raise another 50m just from selling a couple of fringe players.
    On Usmanov, I think he had the wool pulled over his eyes and he is rightfully angry about it. He was only respecting the wishes of the board and then they spat in his face again. I personally think he didn’t buy Bracewell’s shares because he knew it would upset the board. I am truly saddened to see that the knew Arsenal set up has no room for Dien, it is borderline pathetic that he has not been asked to come back. Not giving Usmanov on the board is another embarrassing moment. What would he even do on the board? Do they really think he could wreck the club? Of course not, he would still have little power except we would have someone with a bit of financial clout on the board. Our current board are pathetic anyway… Personally I think the whole situation is a massive turn off for potential/current Arsenal fans…
    On the transfer front, things are looking great just as a expected. We will hopefully sign Samba and Gervinho. We’re looking like losing Clichy so we will need to sign a complete fullback as we are too predictable when only the front four are attacking. Fullbacks are lucky because they run into open spaces as they generally don’t have a man marker. Out of all the top fullbacks in the world I would rate Clichy as the worst in attack. Arsene is also going to invest in youth again and I don’t see anything wrong with that… Chamberlain, Jenkinson and probably one other will hopefully be the additions. I’m still hoping or a miracle with Vertonghen though… Although hopes are fading on that front.

    • Phil23 says:

      By “a couple” I really meant 3 of 4. If you don’t believe they can do it then just look at our outgoing fringe players and how much we are going to get or them. Not to mention half of their fringe players are world class youth talents…Bojan, Thiago, Jeffron and Affellay would generate enough funds so that added to their budget, they could afford Sanchez, Pastore and Rossi. Not to mention they haven’t even sold Ibrahimovic yet… Honestly, if Barca wanted Cesc he’d be gone right now. They just refuse to pay proper money just cause hes from Spain. So they are probably waiting for his contract to run down a bit while them combined with the English media have done their best to devalue him and derail his season or Arsenal. It is a sick cycle really…

  15. 037 says:

    I think this piece pretty much clears up the Fabregas saga

    http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/12733

  16. ytgunner says:

    Great piece, and well-said on Fabregas. He’s a model professional, and I really think the other Arsenal players need to learn from him eg. Nasri

  17. Dark Prince says:

    What everyone is missing here, is David Dein.

    First of all, i dont think the issue was ever bcoz of Usmanov personally. But the fact the he was supported, and the board of directors of Red N White holdings had David Dein as a member, was a deterring point for all the rest of the board, afterall he was removed from the Arsenal board in an unceremoimus manner. So do u think that this is a very strong valid reason for any of previous board members so that they dont sell Usmanov their shares??

  18. adil says:

    Cecs is openly flirting with barca…. no1 knows what can happen in football…. obviously he does… he knows barca is gonna make a bid and he wont make his tantrum public but he might just force his way out….

    How can you say cesc deserves respect??? no matter how bad the team, he has to honor his contract… he wud get respect from me if he said that i am an arsenal player till my contract expires… than he deserves respect but saying things like wat he did that he is in debt to wenger and wants to win trophies and that going to barca he will win trophies shows how low he thinks of arsenal and that no player is bigger than a club especially one who thinks so lowly of the club….

    i remember the penalty vs barca that messi wrong footed almunia… he had a chuckle at that time… wat kinda of a captain would do that…. such an emberassment …. i hope we get rid of him and play nasri ramsey and wilshere more centrally….

    we had legends leave and the club has not stopped…. let him rot of the bench at barca and than he will realise that it all isnt abt winning trophies and sitting on the bench but its about playing big games(not as a sub player during the whole worldcup)….

  19. JP says:

    what’s the difference btw cesc flirting with barca and adebayor flirting with ac milan a few years back? Why was adebayor villified and cesc is not?

    • aad966 says:

      i dont know about you but when adebayor claimed he wanted to go to Ac milan for more money and that he was the replacement for henry and should be paid like him i started hating him and i still do…. never said his actions were villified….

      but Cesc saga has been continuing for 2 damn long… when barca got a penalty at the nou camp and messi fooled almunia he had a big chuckle on his face going down 3-1… is that the kind of captain you want? i agree he is a great player but his heart is not at it… he is here for the respect of wenger and the club but not outta love…………..

  20. Whose side are you on, Arsene?
    ‘It is the club who make the players’ careers,’ said Arsene Wenger in response to talk that Samir Nasri wishes to leave.
    He meant it as an endorsement of his methods, but could that be the problem all along? Nasri’s career is standing still, as are Arsenal. Growing dissent now comes from unusual quarters, from the very people who should be most staunchly on Wenger’s side. And whose fault is that?
    The traditional allies of the manager are the players and fans. All three groups prioritise success. The players want the best teammates
    and the greatest chance of winning a trophy. The supporters want to see the best football, and to win. The manager is usually in tune with these ideals. The directors want success too, of course, but they have additional priorities. They must balance the books; they have duties to shareholders and creditors. This leaves the manager as the custodian of the ambitions of fans and players. If Wenger is losing support it is because he often seems unaware of this.
    In the struggle between us and them, he is perceived as being with them. He is not keeping his best players; he is not spending big on replacements. Wenger remains the dream appointment of every chairman; but that is not necessarily a compliment.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2005670/Martin-Samuel-So-whats-left-make-Toon-swoon.html#ixzz1PngNEv9z

  21. Another point I would .like to make is it is necessary that Stan is more forthcoming of his ideas and his plans for the club…

  22. JP says:

    How did we get here. We don’t have an overly convincing goal keeper, Central defenders are weak in the air, most experienced left back wants to leave (inadequate young replacement on the books), A captain who wants to be at Barca (that cannot be healthy in terms of leadership or anything for that matter), players that we can’t get rid of I’m sure because they are over estimated in the Manager’s eyes and over paid probably, no one of note probably wants Almunia, Squilaci, Denilson, Bendtner, Rosicky or Vela, we may be stuck with them at the moment and although it is somewhat early we cannot even convince and or secure quality players from smaller clubs to come to us despite our Champions league status. Where has it all gone wrong?????????

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