West Ham 0 – 3 Arsenal: Match Thoughts And Individual Analysis

More than two thirds of the possession, 21 shots, 11 on target, 3 excellent goals, 3 well deserved points, and a clean sheet to boot.

Arsenal made a strong start and dominated the game from kick-off. The first few minutes were a repeat of the Ipswich game with the ball getting to the opposition penalty box but the final pass lacking.

The movement up front was excellent and one could sense the first goal was only a matter of time.

It came early enough in the 13th minute quite like the Birmingham visit. Just as in that game, Van Persie was the man to score.

Wilshere did well to control a high ball but West Ham must be wondering how the youngster found so much space just outside their box. He played it wide to Theo who also had some space and time. Walcott can be very dangerous when he is not double teamed and showed a good football brain as he didn’t rush. Theo waited for a run and played the ball square with the right amount of pace. It wasn’t a hopeful cross but a very controlled pass.

Nasri, after making a run from the left to the centre, played a wonderful dummy – oh, how I have been missing that! – and Van Persie creamed it first time with his chocolate leg. It was a brilliant finish as the space between the defenders attempted block and the post wasn’t that big.

West Ham were forced into coming out and that allowed Arsenal more space in attacking areas. It led to a number of half chances – Theo went clear down the middle after a delightful pass by Cesc but the defender did well to put him off, Wilshere showed excellent close control on the edge of the box but his final touch let him down, Cesc and RvP set up Song on the break but his shot was blocked and then saved, Nasri ran down the middle attracting three defenders and setting RvP through but the Dutchman’s strike hit the post, and there were numerous other occasions that led to corners and clearances. Many of these chances came from rapid counter-attacks.

While Arsenal were threatening the West Ham goal they were also threatening their own goal with some dodgy defending, especially by Djourou and Eboue.

West Ham had in the initial minutes tried to attack Arsenal with aerial balls down the left. Koscielny and Clichy dealt with it really well and the Hammers shifted that tactic to their left. The hosts got a lot of joy as Djourou was indecisive while Eboue was often out of position and slow in tracking back.

As I’d mentioned in the preview, the right side of the defence was weak and Song had to put in a lot of work to cover for the defenders. Even that was not enough as West Ham got some shots away.

One soft back pass from Djourou sold Szczesny short and Cole got in but the Keeper made himself big to make the save. There was gap between his feet but the West Ham striker was not alert to the opening.

From that save the ball fell to Boa Morte who found Hines but the youngster fired over from a tight angle.

Arsenal doubled their lead in the 40th minute. Fabregas was tackled but showed the fighting spirit to lunge and win the ball back. El Capitan squared it to Clichy who found Van Persie with acres of space. The striker’s first touch was not what he wanted and the ball sped towards the goal line. RvP chased it and squared it back with just the right weight and an angle that kept it out of the reach of the Keeper. Theo had space and was alert to the possibility. He was able to smash it home from close range with his left foot while Bridge was caught napping.

Immediately at the other end West Ham went close. Sears fired in a good cross and Cole got in ahead of a sluggish Djourou. The striker’s header went away for a corner as the Swiss defender just did enough to get in the way.

The Gunners started the second half brightly with three or four snapshots in the first five minutes.

In the 51st minute West Ham got a free-kick just outside the Arsenal box. Bridge struck it well but RvP managed to jump and head it out for a corner. Szczesny was stranded and but for the striker’s intervention it would have been a goal.

After this the Hammers showed some fight while Arsenal eased into second gear. Neither side was able to create a decent chance for a while.

Just after the hour mark, Szczesny was forced into a save after a cross by Sears with some weird spin was headed towards the goal. From the resulting corner the ball bounced across the face of the Arsenal goal before the Keeper finally claimed it.

Arsenal had improved their right side defence marginally. They weren’t completely in control but always got enough bodies behind the ball with the players showing genuine desire to defend.

The game was settled in the 76th minute when Bridge fouled Walcott to concede a penalty. Van Persie placed it perfectly and with pace. Green guessed right but didn’t get anywhere near the ball.

Far too often people talk about bringing in new players or big names to survive a relegation fight but based on this performance by Bridge West Ham might be wasting a lot of money on his wages.

The last fifteen minutes were a keep ball exercise for Arsenal as West Ham lost their willingness to fight.

Individual Performances

Szczesny: Couple of good saves, struggled a bit with his decision making, will be thankful he wasn’t really tested despite some mistakes by defenders in front of him.

Eboue: very poor in the first half, improved his positioning and tracking in the second but still had some weak moments. Didn’t offer enough in attack and doesn’t seem to have the right understanding with Walcott.

Djourou: Very shaky in the first half. Decision making was extremely poor. Struggled physically as well in an uncharacteristic manner. Improved a bit after he stopped letting the ball go over his head.

Koscielny: was excellent in reading the game and making interceptions/tackles. Didn’t give the attackers much time on the ball.

Clichy: Did well in attack and defence even though some crosses were poor. Good pass to RvP that led to the second goal, also played some wonderful long passes.

The defending on the right side was unnerving in the first half but the players covered for their teammates’ mistakes and West Ham didn’t have enough quality to punish Arsenal.

Song: another big game from the Cameroonian. Played well like a box-to-box midfielder. Was almost always present when an extra body was needed in attack or defence. Showed good physical presence and dealt with the pressure well.

Cesc: I loved the way he dropped deep time and again and the way he brought the ball out from defence even when under pressure from a couple of opponents. Played some excellent balls but not as many as we’ve come to expect. Never stopped chasing the ball and his work rate was phenomenal.

Wilshere:  good game from the youngster even though his touch let him down at times. He is very good on the ball but has to do more off it.

The midfield completely dominated the play, moved the ball well, and maintained positional discipline for large periods of the game.

Walcott: He is very dangerous when he gets space and West Ham made the mistake of giving him that. Was alert for the goal, good finish, intelligent cross for the assist, won the penalty late on, could have done a bit more to help the defence in the first half but overall an excellent game.

RvP: MotM in my book. Excellent movement and awareness, lovely technique, worked hard to press the opponents, good understanding with Nasri, Cesc, and Theo.

Nasri: was really threatening every time he drifted in, good defensive contribution on the left, good diagonal runs, might have scored on another day.

The attackers stretched the defence and their movement was almost telepathic at times. Finishing was clinical and they did their defensive jobs fairly well.

Subs: Came on after the game was over.


50 Responses to West Ham 0 – 3 Arsenal: Match Thoughts And Individual Analysis

  1. Kubla Khan says:

    A good performance by Arsenal. I felt that Djorou had a poor game. Wenger must be a CD to realistically challenge for the EPL. If he does that and Arsenal don’t win the league, we can put it down to other factors but at least not to not trying hard or with a good team.

    Against really better sides, tonight’s defense would have let us down. Offensively, Arsenal don’t need reinforcements, one thinks.

    Good write up.

  2. Phv says:

    Our attacking four(Fabregas,Nasri,Van Persie and Walcott) is looking out to be one of the best in the world.It is unbelievable how good they are together.Only Real’s Di Maria-Ozil-Ronaldo-Higuain and Barca’s Iniesta-Pedro-Messi-Villa are better at least this season.Borussia Dortmund’s Sahin-Kagawa-Gotze-Barrios is fantastic as well but it probably comes 4th.

    • w12mcee says:

      this was a perfectly fine comment but just because you didnt mention xavi people start the bitching again with all the unnecessary name calling and shit. what sort of nerdy supporters have we got ffs?

  3. guy says:

    phv lol are you an idiot. pedro? not xavi no.

  4. Leo says:

    @guy he did say attack 4, so no Xavi is not…

  5. horse says:

    so xavi is and cecs is not the same type of player…..idiot

    • Phv says:

      Cesc plays further up the pitch.Xavi plays deep.That’s why Xavi touches the ball so many times.

      • Sharpshooter says:

        Jesus, Phv, Leo, I see you watch football, but don’t get much out of it, right?
        “Xavi doesn’t assist much” and “he’s not very good attacking wise” are the most idiotic things that I ever read on a forum.
        So, season 2009/2010 in Spain, assists – no.1 Xavi, 14, no.2-3 Messi&Dani Alves 10, no.4 Guti 9.
        Season 2008/2009 in Spain, assists – no.1 Xavi, 20…
        He’s just some kind of overhyped Denilson, right, Phv, Leo?
        But we should all accept that in our world anybody has internet access.

  6. Ahmed Awan says:

    DESI
    you were right that now we are out of our poor patch n towards the good one.
    a team effort like this is again required in the Leeds match on Wednesday.
    I think Eboue is good defending when he can see the ball but defending a lofted ball or marking a quick winger is a bit difficult for him. thats why Sagna was bought.
    rest agree with you

  7. MSL says:

    The most worrying sign is JD’s fatigue. I think he is not fit yet to plat a string of games like he has. We need Song to cover CB for him and play Denilson.

    • desigunner says:

      I’m honestly hoping Song won’t have to play Centre Back ever again. If that means Arsene has to go and get another defender then so be it.

      Song goes to sleep at times, especially in the box. It happened against Farca last season and even against Birmingham if you look at that chance for Johnson, it was Song who switched off. I think he did that against Villa as well. There are plenty of examples of this, especially in the box or on set pieces so I’d prefer if Song continues to be in midfield rather than a defender.

      • MSL says:

        This is my first after god knows how long. I have never seen Song play and which means I should not have made that suggestion. Good to know he won’t cut it but we need a defender who can jump into the mix directly.

      • MSL says:

        first season* and play at CB*

  8. JP says:

    Great performance. Yes we do need to alternate at CB but I don’t like to put Song there because it leaves the DM suspect. Good job Walcott to get in on all three goals. This is definitely our 1st team and they do well. When we make wholesale changes we have suffered this year. I don’t know what we are gonna do about the CB position but we need to address it as we are on the brink with injuries. Maybe the young Spanish captain can play Wednesday.

  9. Tim says:

    Just what was needed after the depression of the last two games. The front six were outstanding today, and it was wonderful to see RvP back to his best. When he is on song, everything just clicks around him.

    Djourou was wobbly, but it is not surprising given how many games he has played after such a long lay-off. The poor lad needs a break!

    http://thearmchairsportsfan.com/2011/01/15/rusty-bridge-crumbles-under-arsenal-barrage/

  10. sri aurobindo says:

    nice to see vPersie hitting form, Theo coming good , Nasri and Fab pulling strings, but all the good hard work can unravel so ea sily at EVERY moment:
    The Arsenal defense looks so panicky confused simply comical,but luckily West Ham’s offense was farcical, a team depleted from back to front, an utterly demoralized rudderless team that played extremely poorly and missed their chances. the lack of CB with authority and experience in the Arse box is so obvious that it is incomprehensible ,if reports are true, that Arsene will ‘not play more than 8mil’ for Cahill. ridiculous. so much good work will go to naught broken on this idiotic stubbornness of the Arsene…
    JD was exposed today, Kosc is a good passing CB but needs another year or two to become what he can be defensively, Szczes showed why he may have a future but also why he is not yet the present

    anybody who is just happy with this performance today without serious concerns is in utter denial

  11. HexyDre says:

    Great game today, the combo of Cesc, Nasri, RvP & Theo going forward is a delight to watch.
    That said, we need to get a defender ASAP!!!! I can’t imagine DJ and Koshy playing all the games in January and we can’t afford to drop Song back to play as a central defender.
    After watching DJ play today (fatigue, I guess) the need for a new defender has never been so obvious.
    Now on to the next one. Leeds, that it!

  12. w12mcee says:

    cant wait till RVP rips barca a new 1. gotta stay fit. messi said he’s never seen pique so nervous when he had to face theo, he’s gonna be brickin it if we have our full front line. whats happened to rosicky?

  13. ARSENAL LEGEND says:

    All Gonners………..

    please pay attention.

    I told you just drop that mug DENILSON in midfield and half your problem is fixed.

    DENILSON/BENDTNER OUT PLEASE. Booooooo them.

    • Miranda says:

      All Gonners (interesting spelling)

      Please pay attention.

      Just drop booing fans. Boo them till they never dare show their faces in the Emirates again. It’ll give the team a big lift.

      • Miranda says:

        Also, just out of curiosity, what do you imagine the booing would achieve? Persuade Wenger to sell whatever player is your scapegoat of the season? I think you’re on to a loser with that one, since there’s no sign that he values your judgement – otherwise he’d have obeyed you years ago and got rid of Song.

      • sri aurobindo says:

        Miranda ()You have been a v. consistent, “boo-er” of Nick Bendtner on every occasion, no?,
        so I guess you do believe somehow in the magic of words as well…or is it that living next to the Emirates makes you feel your voice is heard louder and clearer..?

  14. ak47 says:

    surely walcott get motm?

  15. ABDUL QADIR MALIK says:

    it was an amazing show of ability and class from arsenal against hammers

  16. Metalhead says:

    I argued a few weeks ago with an author of another post that Van Persie is better off playing as a lone striker (because of his tendency to drift, which allows you to employ a “false 9” like Theo and Nasri)rather than playing with Chamakh or Bendtner. He felt Van Persie was not that fox in the box Arsenal were looking for and that he was better off playing as a winger. While there is no evidence to suggest that Van Persie (winger) + Chamakh/Bendtner will not work, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Van Persie as a lone frontman makes Arsenal incredibly effective. With Van Persie up front it makes Arsenal so dynamic that it is hard for defenders to mark the players. I’ve also noticed that Walcott is a lot more effective with Van Persie around. With Van Persie drifting and drawing the defenders with him, we saw Walcott and Nasri making those diagonal runs. All in all, I think this is close to the best team we have. Ideally I’d like Diaby instead of Wilshere. Here’s my best eleven

    Fabianski

    Sagna Djourou Vermaelen/Kos Clichy

    —Song—–

    —————–Fabregas——————

    Diaby
    Wacott—– ———Nasri

    Van Persie

    This is more like a 4-1-4-1 sort of a formation. With Song sitting deep, Fabregas controlling the midfield, Diaby playing in the hole or as a second striker. I’d like to experiment by playing Arshavin in hole, sort of where Hleb played vs AC Milan in the 2-0 win. But defensively we’d have a couple of issues, I’d imagine :). But definitely worth a try. His intelligence is often underestimated because of his body language.

    • santori says:

      Van Persie plays better because he has space to operate.

      I would argue that if it were more congested, he would struggle with his back to goal and perhaps the better choice would be Chamakh.

      • Waleed says:

        Metalhead, RvP plays as the “false 9,” dropping deep, away from his usual striker position.

        Santori, RvP plays well with his back to goal too. His first touch and close control are perfect and that allows him to a lot of time and space even in congested areas. Man City didn’t give him any space but he still had a good game.
        When he plays as a lone striker he has that freedom to move into pockets of space. You can give anyone that freedom but RvP uses it extremely well.
        He is the best striker in the league.

    • desigunner says:

      I agree with Waleed on this. In my opinion, as long as RvP is fit there is no one else I’d want in the central role. Van Persie has the ability of finding space as well as creating space. He also has much better touch and vision than the other two and over the years has developed into a much better finisher.

      Walcott did fairly well at the start of the season with Chamakh in that role. I don’t think it makes that big a difference for Theo. But overall the team performance is much better with Van Persie. I’ve always maintained playing him on the wing would be a complete waste of his talents.

      • santori says:

        I hope you’re right.

        Pound for pound, I still think Chamakh holds the ball up better.

        Yes RVP is better at distribution but put under pressure, he struggles.

        Secondly, because RVP floats, when playing as our lone striker, we often lack the body in the box to finish off our moves.

        Don’t get me wrong, I think RVP is an amazing player but I do feel that when the door needs to get knock down, we need a bit more muscle/presence and Chamakh is better at that. (This of course does not disclude the possibility of having them both on the pitch at the same time)

  17. santori says:

    Good game overall for us but let’s not get carried away.

    This was against an extremely poor West Ham side.

    Particularly Bridge who was shambolic but their midfield lacked bite and we were gifted acres of space.

    West Ham came out to play and did not entirely park the bus.

    Anyway, I do hope Spuds take the day over United (did I just say that?)tomorrow.

    And hopefully we can put on more consistency to our performances.

  18. Yomi says:

    Walcott is my man of the match. He assisted for the first goal, scored the second and won penalty for the third.

  19. a99 says:

    Hey Desi
    Love the Sholay avatar and your blogs which I’ve been reading for a while now. Is there anyway of getting it by email? Cheers

    • desigunner says:

      Thanks. There is a subscribe by email link on the right in the sidebar. You will also get an option while writing a comment. On the left of the ‘post comment’ button there will be a check box ‘subscribe by email to this site’.

      Cheers.

  20. Swagger says:

    A very brilliant performance by Arsenal. Djourou was certainly not at his best yesterday though.

  21. sri aurobindo says:

    Dessi gunner, you may have been come in a tyranny but you live in the USA for heavens sake, STOP this black listing , shameful!!

    • Miranda says:

      To respond to your earlier post about booing, it sounds like you’re confused about what booing is? In most people’s English it’s a word used to describe several thousand people making a booing noise in the stadium during a game; the purpose being to ‘send out a message to Wenger’, though the effect will be to make the whole team feel bad. Expressing criticism of a player on a website, which neither the player nor Wenger will read, is not booing and will have no effect on the morale of the team during a game; it’s merely expressing a private opinion, which other people can – and on lively sites probably will – argue against. But it seems like I’m only the person who thinks the distinction matters, so probably I shouldn’t have bothered….

      • sri aurobindo says:

        know you did not mean to patronize or mock my english, this sort of snobbery or pedantry is below your intellectual level and political beliefs.. , so point well taken..I guess I should imagine you do go to some home games and find yourself embarrassed by the lack of solidarity of some of your peers in the stands(?).. however my general point (and I used “booing” in quotation marks btw) is the intense outcasting and beheading ( metaphorically, ok?)culture of modern day arsenalites where no one in the team or squad is spared,in a merry go round of scapegoating after every game. I do not think there is anyone in the first team that was spared, the keepers en masse, the CDef, headless Clichy,clueless Diabi, brainless Theo, glass vPesie, heart-elsewhere fab, lazy Arsh, past it Rosick, etc etc.
        Is this group of supporters simply more “urbane”, less tribal, therefore more “critical”… or perhaps it is a symptom of an ongoing unclarity, of what this club’s way is about and therefore undecidability why certain players are there still or at all; is the settling for so much 2nd rate really due to lack of money (and noone really understands or knows the truth and whole truth about this element) or is it the mad stubborn genius of inexcusable bad judgment calls that keeps on insisting on certain issues…either way it does lead to this sort of excessive erratic ‘booing’ culture, of which YOU are literally or only metaphorically, publicly or only virtually.. a part and taking part.. there is more to be said but that is far to long already. I hope I did not misuse any terms here Miranda..

  22. Maximilian G. says:

    Manu, central D , THAT is how an unbreachable CD looks like. If Arsenal had anything even similar to that assurance and dominance of a Vidic (how much did he cost..7,8 mil?)they would sweep everything in england(at the very east)
    all the analysis of the otherwise esteemable and serious Desi blogger here, week in week out, trying show to the contrary is nothing but rhetoric and casuistry.
    shame for us, just look and manu, an ordinary team, well balanced at best but with a wall for a central defense when they need it.
    Nothing short of that will get us to the promised land.

    • desigunner says:

      Are you saying Crouch missed from six yards because Vidic did something? Or that the ref didn’t give a penalty for that shirt tug on Van der Vaart because Vidic is a great defender and is allowed to do that? Or that Vidic was the sole defender for United?

      Vidic is undoubtedly a very good defender and if Arsenal can find one like him it will be great. But is it so easy? And do you remember how Vidic was in his first season?

      One of United’s biggest strength is their defensive organization, which makes good defenders look great. When that is broken even Vidic looks like a clown, eg – heading the ball down for Morrison to score (check the West Brom goal).

      rhetoric and casuisty – nice description of your own comment, although I’d refer to it as trivialization of complex discussion.

      • Claver says:

        Excellent observations Desi.

        Forget ManU, it’s just a political team, to please the political classes. There is nothing football about those guys. Anybody with half a brain knows ManU are synthetic, the appearance of something for the masses.

        Just to say, Song is a perfect example of the situation Denilson finds himself in. 3 or so years back, noone wanted Song.

        He played for Charlton and they wanted him, we had Flamini back then. There were lots of opinions flying around about selling Song now of-course a different song is being sung.

        Likewise Denilson. Quite frankly, it’s possible for Denilson to surpass the achievements of Fabregas. You do not become Brazil U21 Captain by luck!
        This kid is something. Perhaps Wenger may play him further up front, but then with all our players they have to be taught to defend because they lack the experience compared to buying older players.

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  24. Messi's dad says:

    good game overall.

    I’m most pleased about the fact that it feels like we’re regaining our flair and panache, which we had in the first half versus Spurs when we were simply untouchable and wiped the pitch, dressing room and toilets with the entire Spurs first team, and somehow just lost “the feeling” completely in the second half (and lost).

    been a bit wobbley ever since, until Chelsea, Birmingham, and now West Ham (cup games aside). Now’s a good time to hopefully go on a title-winning run, and (most importantly IMHO) doing it with the Arsenal flair and panache.

    read somewhere that as of late last year, RvP’s spent more time injured than available in his entire time as an Arsenal player, and it got me occasionally thinking (during moments of weakness) of the utility of having in mind a theoretical “best striker” if he literally wasn’t available half the time.

    but he looks like he’s getting back to form, and if he hits the form he displayed in the first half of 2009/2010 season form (top assist + top scorer(?)), plus fabulous cesc also coming back to form, things are looking good indeed.

    undeniably, Chamakh was tremendous for us for the first half season, but RvP still my man as central striker by far (ahem… when fit):
    1) telepathic understanding with cesc, nasri, which none of Chamakh / Bendtner can so readily attain. I think this is key in our final third.
    2) based on my impressions, RvP seems a better assister. RvP’s consistently been one of our top assisters for last coupla seasons. stats will eventually prove/disprove this.
    3) wickeder shot (he no longer seems to have a chocolate right leg)
    4) I think RvP is actually a lot tougher with the ball than Chamakh, who seems to get shoved over more easily.

    my 2cts worth…

    • desigunner says:

      RvP seems to have a lot of time in final third and when combined with his technique and vision it allows him to pick up a lot of assists. I feel he has achieved the best balance between assists and shots i.e. his decision making about when to pass and when to shoot seems to be excellent.

  25. sri aurobindo says:

    I know you did not mean to patronize or mock my english, this sort of snobbery or pedantry is below your intellectual level and political beliefs.. , so point well taken..I guess I should imagine you do go to some home games and find yourself embarrassed by the lack of solidarity of some of your peers in the stands(?).. however my general point (and I used “booing” in quotation marks btw) is the intense outcasting and beheading ( metaphorically, ok?)culture of modern day arsenalites where no one in the team or squad is spared,in a merry go round of scapegoating after every game. I do not think there is anyone in the first team that was spared, the keepers en masse, the CDef, headless Clichy,clueless Diabi, brainless Theo, glass vPesie, heart-elsewhere fab, lazy Arsh, past it Rosick, etc etc.
    Is this group of supporters simply more “urbane”, less tribal, therefore more “critical”… or perhaps it is a symptom of an ongoing unclarity, of what this club’s way is about and therefore undecidability why certain players are there still or at all; is the settling for so much 2nd rate really due to lack of money (and noone really understands or knows the truth and whole truth about this element) or is it the mad stubborn genius of inexcusable bad judgment calls that keeps on insisting on certain issues…either way it does lead to this sort of excessive erratic ‘booing’ culture, of which YOU are literally or only metaphorically, publicly or only virtually.. a part and taking part.. there is more to be said but that is far to long already. I hope I did not misuse any terms here Miranda..

    • Miranda says:

      Fair point that there’s a relationship between booing in the stadium and the existence of fan sites that stoke up hatred of Wenger or particular players – Le Grove being a particular culprit.

      Trouble is, if you take the view that only bright, positive sentiments should be permitted, you end up with a rather dull site. In an ideal world there’d be a happy medium where it would be possible to have a discussion about, say, Bendtner – what are his strengths and weaknesses? what would be his best position – which might enable people to deepen their understanding and change their views.

      There have in the past been a few of those kind of sites. A cultured left foot was one for the first year or so of its life, before it took the bland positivity route with only uncritical posts. ArsenalAmerica was another for a couple of years.

      In my view a lively open debate is about as different from scapegoating as it’s possible to get. Debate helps people develop more tolerant and complex views. But there’s no way of making it happen. It will or it won’t. And the rarity of sites where it does suggests it’s a difficult thing to sustain. That, or it’s something most fans don’t want. So you’re left with a choice between the wholly negative, what you call the boo sites with their boo fans, or the unrelentingly positive, which I’d guess you prefer? Fair enough; anything is probably better than Le Grove. But for me all-negative or all-positive are just two sides of the same coin.

      • desigunner says:

        I guess the reason some sites have sanitized themselves is down to the fact that debate often deteriorates into abuse and rants. Actual points are lost and there is a lot of name calling, etc.

        I have realized moderating comments is a tough job and takes a lot of time. It’s also difficult to keep discussions focused and to the point in such an environment. Forums might be better for that.

  26. sri aurobindo says:

    double posted ( intended as re to Miranda), sorry.
    please DO release my posts from the unrelenting clutch of the censor…, thank you!

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