Good Interviews of Cesc & Arsene + Fergie Cons Capello!

These interviews are probably a couple of days old but I read them only a short while ago.

Cesc was talking exclusively to SunSport about his travails this summer. Most of the stuff is pretty same as the official statement but there are a couple of lines that I liked reading.

Anyone who thinks I will no longer try my best for Arsenal just does not know me.

I think that is the simplest way of silencing all doubters. All he needs to do now is show this on the pitch and I’m confident this season we will see the same Cesc Fabregas who I thought deserved the player of the year award last year.

I feel that these days any team that has to win something big like the Premiership or the Champions League needs a player who is good enough to win the World Player of the Year award. And by that I mean a player not just with that kind of talent but who actually performs at that level to be widely recognized as the best in the world. If Fabregas stays fit for the season I think he and we have a very good chance.

Towards the end of that interview there are some comments that can be construed negatively or positively. Those who don’t feel confident right now will see the same in these words.

…it is fair to say that he[Arsene] really believes Arsenal will make a strong challenge for the title this year. I really hope he’s right. I’m an ambitious person and I have only won one trophy in my seven years at Arsenal – and that was the FA Cup. That’s not a good enough return and we need to address that and urgently.

I think it can be seen either way. One could say that he trusts Arsene and that is the reason he accepts the boss’ judgement. Or you could say he has no faith in the team. I’m inclined to interpret that he is concerned but he trusts Wenger because that is my present state!

Arsene, for his part, was speaking with The Guardian. It’s a brilliant article that shows the depth of the man’s thinking, once again.

Arsene has often said that we need to analyze a game (or anything for that matter) by taking distance from the result. Very few can do it. That is the reason he ends up being right in the long run and many who mock him are left with egg on their faces. In this particular interview he explains the same thing with a nice example about Rooney. This is not a direct quote but a beautifully written excerpt from the article,

To give a more topical example, he elaborates on what he calls the “Rooney factor”. During a week when England’s most important footballer was plastered over the front pages of the tabloids for being, well, plastered in the early hours and in possession of a cigarette, Wenger argues the story is negative in the context of England’s poor World Cup. “Imagine he does exactly the same but they won the World Cup,” the Frenchman suggests. He proposes the story would then be an upbeat one. Good old Rooney. What a Jack the Lad. Look how he can be a winner and then go out and enjoy it. “That means you do not judge the guy, you judge first the result he has produced and then according to your disappointment, you judge the guy,” Wenger muses.

Le Boss is not blind to the goalkeeping situation either,

And does he understand why people expect him to bring in a new goalkeeper? “Yes,” he says, smiling ruefully.

At times fans don’t realize that if we can see a problem so can Arsene. It’s easy for us to assume he is stubborn or he can’t see what’s patently obvious to everyone else. While doing that we fans just scale new heights of naiveté and ignorance. Just because Arsenal don’t come out openly with the transfer targets and discussion does not mean nothing is being done. Many good writers, especially Untold Arsenal, have done a good job of highlighting the complex nature of the transfer market. I don’t know if some fans are so thick they can’t really understand it or do they just live in a world of delusions. Even City with all their wealth haven’t been able to sign whoever they want, Arsenal obviously have a lot more constraints.

Arsene also hinted that what Arsenal do is appreciated more outside England.

I travelled at the World Cup a lot, you cannot imagine how popular Arsenal is in the world. It is massively important to me that we win titles, but there’s something as well deeper and stronger in the way we play, the policy we have. The fact we do not only inject money is hugely respected all over the world.

His explains his thoughts logically. In England it’s a clan situation. For instance, Tottenham fans cannot appreciate what Arsenal do; neither can the United supporters (at least not collectively and openly). That is not the case for many Johnny Foreigners like yours truly and it’s quite possible that people on the outside see the broader picture better than some locals who have the privilege of going to the Emirates. Of course, this does not include some glory hunters who are more likely to be foreigners and recent supporters but it’s unlikely that Arsene would know much, if anything, about them.

I was quite happy after reading both interviews (and I highly recommend reading both pieces if you’d missed them) but my mood changed when I bumped into this piece in the Daily Mail. Sometimes, even the tabloid hacks do a good job.

That article has photos of Capello showing his surprise that Carrick was playing in the Community Shield game. He also gestures to say a phone call would have been nice! The background was that Fergie declared Carrick was unfit for two weeks and the England manager didn’t include him in the squad for the Hungary friendly.

This is how Fergie explained it,

I can only apologise. I was certain he was out for two weeks then he came and said he was fit.

Genius. Pure Evil Genius.


53 Responses to Good Interviews of Cesc & Arsene + Fergie Cons Capello!

  1. str8goon says:

    Wouldn’t mind if Wenger utilized his wide range of dark arts to keep our boys away from these utterly useless friendlies. (see van Persie v. Chiellini) Would do all our hearts sum good.

    gooner4lyf

    • desigunner says:

      I think many of us would like to see that trick from Wenger but I doubt if he is capable of that. It needs a different mental make-up I’d say.

  2. str8goon says:

    Wouldn’t mind if Wenger utilized his wide range of dark arts to keep our boys away from these utterly useless friendlies. (see van Persie v. Chiellini) Would do all of our hearts sum good.

    gooner4lyf

  3. Sriram says:

    Excellent article once again, I’ve been a constant follower of your blog. I don’t believe that Arsene does not know our weaknesses, but there certainly must be something going on behind the screens!

    Sri(India) 🙂

    • desigunner says:

      Thanks.

      Surely, there is a lot going on behind the scenes. I guess Arsene is constantly looking at new players, also working on training routines, talking to players and explaining their weaknesses and so on.

      People don’t realize but we’re seriously overachieving for the kind of money that we’ve spent. It’s a different approach to the buy, buy, buy mentality but it’s been fairly successful.

      Of course, it’s not as successful as we’d like and even Wenger would say the same.

      • Sriram says:

        Yes, it has been fairly successful, most people don’t realise this! They need instant success, I for one, would be pleased if Wenger sees success his way, because it would be benchmarking standards! However, I do feel it is necessary for him to bring in an assured CB and a goalkeeper. If we just don’t switch off in defense and bring the collectivity in it like we did in Goodison last season consistently enough, then I feel we would not see so many doomsayers! Desi btw, you hail from??

      • Sriram says:

        Btw man, I just started writing, Just check out, http://sriramdharm.blogspot.com/

      • desigunner says:

        I’ve been all over India, except perhaps the North East.

      • Sriram says:

        Ho, thats great, if you’ve been anywhere closer to Coimbatore of Tamilnadu, then thats the place I follow the Arsenal from! 🙂 Nice to see so many proficient Indian gooners! Most of em here start talking up about Manchester United, its like status quo!

      • desigunner says:

        I was in Trichy for 4 years 🙂 Never got a chance to visit Coimbatore though.

  4. Sriram says:

    Sir Alex, what a dirty tactic! United do anything they need to, to win, don’t they? Maybe that’s what needs to be drilled into our players. More concentration and aggression, our defensive unit will be stronger!

  5. nashgooner says:

    I don’t know what to say when writing a comment. I am hardly in a position to critique the article, and don’t feel that i need to. This is a good overview and insight into the Wenger dealings. However i do not quite under stand the glory hunter tag being foreign or new commers? At 22 support from Australia i have watched for the last 3 years. Recent or not, Arsenal’s policy are the reason i support them. And loathe the big money spenders. But at the end of the day to categorize those who wish to spend as glory hunters is a bit far. While Wenger may recognise that, he does not always act on it. He could have bought Chamakh in Jan, he would have been cup tied, but could have helped us to a better position in the league. Didn’t want to pay the money which is fair enough. But should Wenger have spent the extra 3 million in exchange for a sustained charge to teh title. Is his recognition of a problem and lack of action worse than his huge expectations for a player to step up?

    • Gunner Young says:

      I think you will find that we offered Bordeux around €7mill but they wanted closer to €10-12. It’s a hard one to call, as there is no guarantee that we could have won the PL last season with him in. Although if we did win it and it cost us €10 million, then I would say it was worth it. Gamble or not to gamble?

    • desigunner says:

      Nash,

      I didn’t mean that all foreigners or recent supporters were glory hunters. Apologies if it came across that way.

      It is my opinion that fans who have seen the tough years would definitely value Wenger and his achievements a lot more than the recent ones. So it’s quite likely that more newcomers are glory hunters rather than old timers.

      Similarly, I feel in foreign countries many fans attach themselves to teams that win. It’s a natural process. I’ve seen many such United fans in India who didn’t know the game, didn’t know much about the clubs history or values but claimed to support them (mainly because they used to win).

      Once again that does not mean all foreigners are glory hunters or that all glory hunters are foreigners, but I tend to think most people in England pick their clubs for different reasons and trophies might not be that common. I might be wrong, it’s just a thought based on what I see and read from a distance.

      Finally, I wouldn’t say anyone who wants Wenger to spend is a glory hunter. But there are many fans who don’t try to understand the complexities involved, pretend they know a lot more than they do, and use excessively critical and negative language. To me the desperation of these fans seems to be coming from a lack of trophies and the best they can think is buying and more buying. These people are certainly glory hunters.

      Obviously many of these are English but if someone was able to do a valid survey, my guess would be that most of the glory hunters would be younger, newer fans and many of them will be foreigners.

      Regd the Chamakh example – We don’t know for sure if Bordeaux were willing to sell in Jan. They were doing well in the Champions League. So there is a good chance they might have wanted a lot of money for him or didn’t want to sell him at all. We also don’t know what the doctors told Wenger about Bendtner’s recovery.

      I think there is a merit to your argument if all the assumptions are accurate. I’ve a feeling, in someone’s autobiography at a later date, we will discover that there were many complications that were never reported.

      I hope this clarifies the issue.

      • Phil23 says:

        “But there are many fans who don’t try to understand the complexities involved, pretend they know a lot more than they do, and use excessively critical and negative language. To me the desperation of these fans seems to be coming from a lack of trophies and the best they can think is buying and more buying. These people are certainly glory hunters.”

        I think Football manager and a world where the ‘haves’ pretty much get their way all their lives have a large influence on why there are so many glory hunters. Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester City also help make these people think Football manager/Fifa/PES are much closer to reality than people think?

      • Phil23 says:

        Whoops lost my way mid sentence there. last two words were supposed to be ‘what they actually are’.

  6. Gunner Young says:

    You look across the whole of Europe, not just the PL and transfer activity is minimal. The exception been City, with their mountain of money and ridiculous wages. Even the Sp*ds who every season spends money like a vacant, faux tanned WAG, are finding it difficult to buy quality, and sell sh*t.

    Arsene has already warned us that he only buys at the start or at the end of the transfer window. We have to wait and be patient, their playing poker. For sure we will get a new CB before the deadline, but the DM and GK positions might go right to the wire.

    • desigunner says:

      Isn’t this lack of transfer activity another one of those things that Wenger predicted and others laughed at?

      • Sriram says:

        Exactly! Recession has hit in its worst form and that is one of the soul reasons, Barca were not able to put up a very sound offer for our Captain! Anyway, Wenger already has stated that it is due to our financial values that we are able to hold on to our best!

      • Gunner Young says:

        Yes.

        Arsene as we all know is very practical with his, sorry, the club’s money. We have had to scrimp and save for the last 5 years, and only now is there a pot in the bank where we can spend comfortably, but having money and buying quality that is value for money is the most efficient way. With clubs not wanting to sell, we are in a difficult situation.

        Another point that needs to be raised is that Arsene is in the last year of his contract. This has to impact whether Wenger would/be allowed to spend big.

  7. Phil23 says:

    Very useful little snippets as I somehow missed both those interviews! Thanks for your diplomatic response in your last post as a few hours later I was dreading your response! Gunner Young that comment looks bang on to me. We’ll get the center back we’re all wanting but even Wenger probably doesn’t know if well get a keeper as he will not go much over budget no matter who he goes after. Lastly, a few people have mentioned that we made multiple bids for Reina starting at the beginning of the summer and finally reaching quite a decent sum. I think Wenger should definitely pursue Reina as if we get him that is great but if the more likely happens and we don’t get him, it could still be quite unsettling for their squad before we face them?

    • desigunner says:

      I guess all of us lose our composure at some time or the other. I’ve improved a bit in this regard due to the blog. Some people just leave one or two line criticisms without giving any basis or sharing any insight and that sort of taught me to sincerely appreciate those who make meaningful contributions and also taught me to take a deep breath before I respond to someone.

      I’m not sure Arsene will spend 25M on any single player, and it’s really difficult to believe he would spend that much on a goalkeeper. If we can get Reina for around 12-14M I’d say it’s a good deal. Anything beyond that is out of the bounds of my imagination.

      • Phil23 says:

        Yeah I don’t think we big anywhere near 24m or whatever some people said. Supposedly we bid something like 7m, 13m and then 18m which is rather high but when you consider they are rivals Arsene would surely know it would take a larger offer.

  8. drona says:

    nice to know that there some staunch Arsenal supporters in India. I have never known Arsenal under a manager other than Wenger. Maybe with benefit of hindsight we would come to understand the amount of groundwork done by Wenger for the club.

  9. walter says:

    The comment from Wenger on Rooney is the way it works in pundit land.
    The applaud the winner whatever the tactics, the way they have played. If the winner kicked half of the other players in 2 but won it they will be praised.
    They judge based upon the result. That is the reason Arsenal never get the credit they deserve for their beautiful play from the pundits.

    Thanks Desi for bringing these interviews under our attention.

    • desigunner says:

      Those in the pundit land who don’t really have the knowledge and understanding to be “experts” will never have the courage or sense to identify right from wrong. The simple solution for them is to praise the winner and criticize the loser.

  10. GBG gunner says:

    Lets not mix pears and apples, as my old Greek proffessor used to say, that will end up in scrambled eggs.

    I do not doubt Wengers ability to see short commings. He is brilliant and ambitous, and naturally a few dimensions more gifted in football analysis then most of us.

    His nemesis is his over commitment and belief in his ability to make young players turn fullblooded professionals over night, if only given the chance.

    he lets the potential rule, and not the current performance. His big mistake was 2 seasons ago, when we didn’t replace Flamini/Gilberto and Hleb with quality. We gave unproven players to much responsibility, and no experienced midfielder with a true winners head to learn from. This is history, but it illustrates in a good way the great risks AW:s prepared to take on players he believes in.

    Now, someone will say that the academy is a central part to our future success, and I agree completly. it is not a question of yes or no, it a question of getting the balance right, hopefully AW recognizes this and doesnt take similar risks this year.

    I would be very pleased if we replaced Rosicky with a classy versatile midfielder. This will not happen, as we have Wilshere on the rise. considering Ramseys status, and Denilson/Diaby shaky apperances it is a risk to rely on young Wilshere, but I agree, this risk is worth taking. However, we will not afford to take similar risks in other areas, especially with defence/goalie. I am not completly relaxed on wether AW recognizes this, ahead of what will be the toughest PL season ever.

    • desigunner says:

      GBG you’ve essentially made an assumption that Wenger has a problem with over commitment.

      We would not have seen the talents of Song and Diaby last year if he’d bought replacements for Flamini and Gilberto. Moreover, there is never a guarantee that a replacement will always deliver. Arshavin is a replacement of Hleb and the jury is out on the Russian.

      Flamini himself was unproven till that season and he was only appreciated because Wenger gave him the chances. In that sense you’re arguments have a contradiction.

      Another good example is Rosicky. He was good enough to replace Pires and was doing that till he got injured. That was a freak case. The point is that we can replace players by buying others but there can always be unpredictable problems.

      The main aspect that we need to appreciate is that Wenger wants to win. He doesn’t believe developing players is more important that winning. What he does believe is that we cannot go beyond our means. So we cannot just keep buying all the time.

      Moreover, there are problems even when we want to buy as the transfer market is a complex animal as we’ve seen with our search for a new keeper.

      Some fans cannot understand how a team can improve without buying. That doesn’t mean a team cannot improve without buying. An obsession with buying is just stupid as many other teams have shown us.

      Ultimately, buying or selling players or promoting youngsters is just a matter of opinion and that of Wenger is much more relevant than any of ours.

      • GBG gunner says:

        Dear desigunner, you base ur points on AW knows best statements. That is rather lame, as nor me or you can claim to know what is truly going on in AWs head. If you want to comment, be a bit more brave than that.

        Now to some of your points; 1 if we bought replacements for Song Flamini and Gilberto 2 years ago, we would not have seen Song and Diaby talents last year? Well, then we can go ahead and sell all our key players, to allow the talents we have to get all the experience they need to turn PL players. We are paying the price for this choice, and I disagree on the reward, Diaby and Denilson are still not showing the standard requested to succeed. This is a big dilemma, as he has invested so much, and gambled so highly on them.

        2. You claim that some fans are narrow minded and cant understand the non spending policy, refering to Arshavin as replacement for Hleb as a possible fail. Well m8, it seems some fans have a very short memory. If not for Arshavin, we would have missed out on CL, and we would have been in ruins. He didnt replace Hleb, Arshavin came 6 months later, when AW finally accepted what was obvious to all, ok, most of us; the squad was not competitive enough even to reach CL, left alone silverware. Before claiming otherwise, review the games before Arshavin, and compare with after.

        Until AW accepts even the most brilliant Acadamy wount be able to always deliver all players needed, we will remain a top 4-5 club. My point is not to abandon, but to accept we can’t gamble to the extent we have if we want to fight for silverware. The proof is there, last 2-3 seasons AW said we would get something, and we didn’t. AW is so close to complete success, I really like our ability to develop players, but the balance between talent and proven quality has not been right, if we look at todays squad it is the same story all over again. We should have had a new goalie by now, it is very very late to get one when PL already started, the same for a central defender. If we need additions, get them in time, so they can adopt faster, the PL doesnt wait for us, to loose points because we don’t have our squad ready in time is very contradictive to our ambitions. If we don’t strengthen at all, well, then it is CL we can aim for, not more, again.

      • desigunner says:

        I don’t know how you brought “bravery” into this discussion. That’s silly. This has nothing to do with being brave but is more about understanding the complexities of decision making based on limited information.

        You seem happy to make your judgments based on tabloid information and hindsight and using that you are trying to judge a person who has made his decisions based on real information and without the benefit of hindsight. That approach itself is flawed and so your arguments, while they sound all nice and logical, are in fact quite vacuous.

        It’s easy to say Diaby and Denilson are not showing the standard required to succeed. That’s just your opinion and many disagree with you. Fact is we have had more injuries than anyone else, and if our players are not good enough as you claim, one really has to wonder how we ended up third in the league. What about those who have been buying proven players like Tottenham, Liverpool, Villa, and City? How come they have been behind us all this while?

        Nobody, even AW, ever claimed that Arsenal are perfect and don’t need improving. That improving can be done in many ways and has to be done under a number of constraints.

        Essentially, you’ve simplified a complex issue with flawed assumptions and hindsight. That makes the whole discussion pointless.

    • GBG gunner says:

      Do you think AW considers all his decisions perfect? For some of us it is of interest to debate on that, and as we are underperforming according to the goals set by AW himself, such a debate has credibility.
      Bravery dear DG, is trusting your own instincts, your beliefs.

      This is football, real football, not Football Manager. Flawed assumptions and hindsight is not needed, you do yourself no honor trying to discredit my comments by adding “flawed, hindsight”, be brave enough to focus on the subject, or simply bail out.

      Now, to not get even further of topic, lets get back to the pointers;

      1; Was it wrong to question the descion to not replace Hleb, Flamini & Gilberto ?

      2; Did the purchase of Arshavin make an emidiate and significant difference?

      3; Does AW at times gamble a bit to much on talents ability to quickly replace proven players? In respect of his Title ambitions, as always.

      and to balance it all,
      4; is Wenger a brilliant manager, with a magnificent Academy, deserving serious recognition from us all?

      According to me, and my “hindsight” if that makes you feel better, the 1st 3 are telling a great deal of why we have struggled. My main assumption, (as we are not AW we all have to make them, you as well dear DG)
      Is that Wenger has not seen the progress he expected in some of our players, Denilson and Diaby in particular. There are several aspects/effects of interest here, but to not wright a novel I leave that for some rainy day.

      To conclude, I am full of admiration for AW, especially for his positive football philosofy and ability to spot and develop talent. His legacy is legendary, and will remain so even if we miss out on titles again. Still I am left frustrated, as for the last years, he has only been 1-2 players short to give his title ambitions a real go.
      It is not only about titles, but what the squad needs, and if you say I am making flawned assumptions I suggest you stop your blog all together, as you are in no position to judge that, leaving you likely to be as miserable and “flawned” yourself.

      I dont expect to write here or read your blog anymore, as your tendency to discredit people instead of actually adding anything intelligent of your own is not very appealing. But please go ahead and prove me wrong on this one, as you are a fellow gooner I will not give up on you completly just yet.

      • desigunner says:

        As I already said, and as Wenger has also acknowledge in the past, he is not perfect and has no pretensions of being perfect.

        It is interesting that you try to explain bravery as trusting your own instincts. We are trying to discuss and analyze a very complex topic. That makes it mandatory to focus on facts and realistic assumptions to the extent possible. The moment you glorify “instincts” in this particular context you reduce the credibility of the process of analysis.

        I make a living out of analyzing complex business situations. You’ll be amazed how many people make incorrect business decisions because they lose track of the genuine facts and get their assumptions wrong just because their instinct says so.

        It doesn’t reflect negatively on them. It’s a normal human tendency because most important issues are really complex. So when I say your assumptions are flawed it’s not an attempt to discredit you. I’ve said that to many clients and eventually they are happy someone said it. I’ve made similar mistakes as well while running my company and others have helped me find the flaws in my assumptions.

        Your points are just that “your points” … others have their own points. I can answer all of them but, like you, I don’t want to write a book. I’ll just bring out some complexities that you’ve ignored.

        For instance, if we’d kept Flamini, the whole point of replacing him would not arise. But there is nothing in his career that shows a trend of two successive good seasons. So there is no reason to believe he would have done anything more than what Denilson or Diaby did.

        Also there is no conclusive proof that buying a player would have made a difference. You’ve conveniently ignored the fact (and this is a fact) that Tottenham, City, et al have bought plenty (not just one or two) of supposedly proven players and not gone anywhere.

        It’s interesting to note that you’re talking about Denilson and Diaby but not bringing Song into the equation. All of them were kids but how would we who is going to develop and how soon unless we gave them a chance?

        You also fail to acknowledge that around 08 the property slump hit and we really had to be careful with cash. While we might have bought someone and he might have helped, he could just as easily have flopped and we might have run out of cash. This is just one aspect that makes the whole thing so complex but I see no attempt in your analysis to cover these aspects.

        I can go on and on but I don’t see this conversation going anywhere. The only reason I’ve replied is because you’ve mentioned your point of view with respect and without personal abuse and I appreciate that very much.

        You are entitled to your opinion and I’m not changing that or deleting that. You can say it here without any censorship. If more people agree with you then so be it. If you want to stay away, that’s your choice and I’m not concerned one way or the other.

        In the same vein, I’m entitled to my opinion and that says your approach is wrong because your assumptions are flawed (do not take into account all the complexities) and you are relying on hindsight (conveniently leaving out Song and not mentioning how bad Flamini was after he left).

        When Arsene says “buying is not the only solution” it automatically implies that buying is one solution and obviously he is aware of it. If he still chooses to go another way then we have to try to first understand the complexities involved. If we just have an oversimplified discussion it only gratifies our egos and doesn’t serve any other purpose.

      • GBG gunner says:

        Desigunner,

        lets not compare our proffessions as a means to decide who has more or less credability. It is a sign of desperation, and a fail right there. Be assured that you have little to gain from such a comparison, and regardless, it has very little to do with Football.

        Instincts, are not random feelings, they are the sum of your knowledge, telling the direction based on what you know. When your clients ask you things, do you always go back to office, and make complex analysis before answering? Ofcourse not, it depends on the question at hand, and the estimated uncertainty, often based on instinct/guts feeling.

        Don’t tell me you make complex analysis spending hours before answering football questions? Or are you saying that any fan, should keep quite if not doing so? You are chasing your own tail DG.

        Now to the truly entertaining part, your attempt to show your brilliant analysis skills; You say letting Flamini go was a good thing; because Flamini might not have continued to perform at the excellent level he did, therefor it is better to let players far from his ability to get the chance, because 3 years later they might reach the same level…
        Fantastic conclusions DG, I wish your customers the best of luck. I dont like to claim knowing what all others think, but here you are so far off I promise I will shave my waving long hair and add a tatoo saying “DG IS BRILLIANT” if you find wast support for that one. You simply don’t have a clue at all do you lad.

        If I was employed by arsenal, I would probably do a bit more work before venting my opinion before the board/AW.
        But seriously, to claim any fan needs to put that same effort into any point made, do you at all understand what you are saying?

        Regarding Song. I will agree that he has developed into a good enough arsenal player. Better than Flamini was? no chance. But he is better than Denilson, and more consistent than Diaby. Song is infact a fine example, eventhough he was back-up to Denilson, thus given less 1st team football, his development didn’t suffer, more the opposite.

        Now, I usually prefer to discuss with people that have something interesting to say, and not only trying to “win” or hide behind their titles like you do. See this my last contribution to your awakening as a friendly gift from a gooner to another.

        I also thank you DG, for the big smile I have on my face thinking of “I make a living of complex business situations…” 😀

      • GBG gunner says:

        1 more thing;

        Lets take a look at the argument that my points are flawed because I don’t consider the “complexity”.

        Ok, Because I don’t include the fact some new players at Tottenham and ManCity have not payed off, I can not say replacing Flamini/Gilberto/Hleb with Denilson/Song/Diaby(Eboue) was wrong? I also have to mention the world crisis. But I don’t need to mention that there where funds available right? Nor that Bergkamp, Henry Pires, Ljungberg, Hleb, Vermalen and more, could in some corners be considered successfull purchases. The fact we have lost several key players over the years sanying they can not achieve complete success at our club?
        Or the fact that these players have been proven right.

        I didn’t mention any of this, as they would take away the focus from the few points I wanted to raise.

        A sensible writer always has to consider the audience and the forum and adjust to it. Desigunner, you have attacked my credibility with claims that have no bearing, simply because they are completly irrelevant.

        And regarding hindsight, well, that is flawed right there isn’t, pure speculation, you have not made an advanced and complex research/analysis to prove it…

      • desigunner says:

        There we go again.

        “You say letting Flamini go was a good thing; because Flamini might not have continued to perform at the excellent level he did, therefor it is better to let players far from his ability to get the chance, because 3 years later they might reach the same level”

        Where did you get that from? Just jumping from one conclusion to another making one flawed assumption after another.

        When did I say letting Flamini go was a good thing? I didn’t say it was good or bad… merely the fact that there is nothing in his career to assume that he would have been good. That doesn’t mean we can assume he would have been bad. Here is where the discussion gets complex and we would have to consider 10 other factors before moving forward but that seems beyond the scope of your thought process. I guess you have a black and white approach without realizing that most things in life are in shades of grey.

        And you claim we gave chances to players far from his ability … without giving basis to justify that either … What has Flamini done in the last two years to even consider that he is better than Denilson or Diaby, leave alone Song.

        You my friend just jump from one conclusion to another making meaningless assumptions.

        I’ll thank you for your contribution because you’ve given a very good example of the naivete and ignorance that I mentioned in the article but this is my final reply to you as this is getting really tedious. You’re free to visit or leave but I’ll not be wasting any more time replying to you.

      • GBG gunner says:

        🙂

        You don’t see flamini leaving as a bad thing, then it is natural to assume that you see positives from it. You do in fact also mention atleast 1; a few uproven players, far below his ability at the time, might reach the same level, or possibly exceed it a few years ahead.

        There is no escaping this one DG, stand by your words.

        I say that Flamini was far better than Denilson/Song at the time he left.
        How on earth can that change because he does not have the same experience later at Milan? Just because Germans have Panzar tanks to today doesn’t mean Cesar wasn’t superior to them at the time… You should know this if you are aquainted with “complex” analysis.

        How well a player performs is very much linked to how well he fits in.
        Flamini fitted in perfectly at our midfield, so good infact, that a Brazilian international became a back-up.

        To argue against me, is to disagree with me. If I say replacing Flamini with Denilson/Song was bad, and you disagree, tell me, where exactly do you land. Make up your mind. Work harded on your ability to identify relevant factors for the analysis, before you try explore the “complexity”, let alone trying to correct others.

        I get the feeling you have little clue about football, you may however be a good fan, I recognize all fans regardless of their footballing knowledge as there is a lot more to it than that. But please, don’t try to be the bigger guy in areas you obviously do not comprehend. To compensate that by trying to discredit has failed. You need to look yourself in the mirror DG.

  11. Brightwub says:

    I don think that AW is a manager that Arsenal FC can easily replace if we see what he’s done to the club. BUT when do u think is the time that we have to stop saying we are title contenders though we clearly don have what it takes?(currently CB and goal keeping).If we still claim without acting, we will be a good that is short of winning for another year or years.

  12. Kipmonster says:

    Pravda.com are getting ridiculous …….. The provocative ‘ Transfer Linked ‘ postings which should head up ‘ List of Players Arsenall will NOT be buying ‘, then incredibly after Barca officials & players constantly talking up Fabregas joining them, our website intelligently posts Sagna’s comments about another teams player.
    Now they must think we are thick to believe the posted ‘ Stalinist prpoaganda’ twitter comments regarding the Legia Warsaw are a fair reflection of overall fan opinion ……….

    ‘Many of you got in touch and below is a selection of the fans’ thoughts.

    If you don’t already follow us on Twitter and want to have your say, you can find us here: @ArsenalDotCom

    @KeiranAlstrom23 – I thought the game was very entertaining but our defence needs to improve

    @joannadee87 – the Legia game highlighted the strengths and weaknesses of Arsenal

    @Goonerlove – I sincerely hope they don’t leak that many goals when the season starts but well done with the win lads

    @dbergkamp10 – Fantastic game, full of attacking football – great to watch. Szczesny proved he deserves a chance in a serious encounter

    @sparkster14 – It was a very exciting game, a lot of goals and a lot of entertainment. I just hope Arsenal don’t defend like that in the Premier League

    @Connoisseur247 – Defence looked shaky – still work to be done there but lots to be happy about going forward. You’ve only come to see Eboue!!

    @teedonable – it was a nice game. It showed we are good offensively but need improvement defensively

    @Joshuaiscurly – The Nasri and Chamakh partnership will be awesome this season. Premier League Champions? I think so

    @HUarmyy – the defence looked a bit shaky, but I can’t remember the last time we scored five goals in one half

    @VAN_SAFFY – Too many defensive errors but a spectacular game of football ‘

    PATHETIC !! ……… GET REAL ARSENAL !!!

    • desigunner says:

      I must say I was really surprised by the Sagna interview but it was a one-off and obviously not part a carefully planned campaign so we can excuse it

      I don’t think any official website will publish any hateful or extremely negative twitter comments. Some of these comments touch upon defensive issues and it’s good to see them.

      I still believe overall fan opinion is fairly positive. So I don’t see any problems with these comments. It would be stupid to publish negative comments about individuals, especially when there is an uncertain position in the transfer market.

  13. pires is king says:

    Great article, thanks again!

  14. Phil23 says:

    This article highlights the last straw (which went a long time ago I will admit) as well as backing up my assumption that both Wilshere and Frimpong will play against Liverpool due to niggles to Song Diaby and Denilson. Seriously Xavi is filth. FILTH.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/7935747/Arsenal-to-put-trust-in-Emmanuel-Frimpong-and-Jack-Wilshere-for-Liverpool-clash.html

    • desigunner says:

      I think many of us have been mentally prepared to see Wilshere and Frimpong in the starting line up. I’m more concerned about these stupid friendlies. Hope Nasri comes back alright.

      If we have to play the youngsters I’d prefer Nasri in a deeper role and Wilshere in a more advanced role.

      • santori says:

        I’m worried about playing Frimpong on his own as the DM. He is clearly not experienced enough. Whilst he is obviously combative and committed, he leaves far too much space behind or in front of him.

        If he had to be played, I’d prefer a 4-2-3-1 with an experienced player in Rosicky by his side.

  15. sameep says:

    As usual, you talked sense..An addition to your last point about the Old Master of Black Magic, Ferguson. He said the nice piece you mentioned and now he comes with this one…Very clever, Very very clever…
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3088373/Alex-Ferguson-backs-Michael-Carrick-England-call.html

    he knows that the team has started training already and now they wont call him and train him for 1 day to play a match…

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  18. santori says:

    Desi,

    Great piece. There has been obvious growing unease about our lack of activity in the keeping and dept.

    As you have said, it is a more complex issue than simply taking out the old cheque book.

    For starters regarding the keeper, one might want to put into consideration that :

    1) There are not that many top keepers to begin with who will move for the right price (assuming the club is willing to let them go), as oppose to outfield players.

    2) There is also the need to wait on developments as the market continues to evolve.

    As an example : Givens. If City can’t keep both Shay and Hart happy, there is opportunity there for Arsenal.

    IMO, an experienced keeper blooded in the PL will have significant advantages over a keeper coming in from outside and having to settle into the league.

    Wenger might consider it prudent to wait on developments before committing to inking a signature.

    3)Like it or not, Almunia (As prone to the odd gaff as he is) IS still our best back up keeper.

    None of the junior keepers are ready. They need to go out on loan and play consistently at top level (PL equivalent) which will be the ultimate arbiter of their readiness.

    Bearing that in mind, it is imperative that Wenger secures Al this season.

    Moving too soon for the keeper may unsettle Almunia and leave us (again) with 3 inexperienced junior keepers to choose from in backing up our new number one. Not ideal.

    4) Prices come down toward the end of the window. Whilst it would be preferable to know the Number one before the campaign start, we are not in a position as say City to be completely callous with our spending.

    • GBG gunner says:

      Santori,

      If the analysis of weakpoints in our squad underlines inconsistent goalkeeping performances, we have no choice but to find 1 that is likely to improve that situation. Now, I can accept that AW might want to await certain situations at other clubs, I would “assume” he has more than 1 possible target, I will not speculate on names. But regarding Almunia, he will be unsettled regardless of whether the new goalie comes a week from now, or came 2 months ago. With one more goalie we need to let Almunia or Fabianski leave. I would prefer Almunia to be no 2, but I don’t think Almunia agrees, while Fabianski would probably settle for it.

      I am guessing AW wants to have a sale of Almunia more ore less secured before adding a new keeper.

      regarding the complexity, no one can claim to have a complete understanding of it, we can guess a few of the considerations AW has to make, at best. I will not speculate to much on that, but you have mentioned a few reasonable ones. What I do not need to speculate on is however the need for a goalie, and that the longer it takes for him to arrive, the longer it takes for him to settle and learn our ways. A 1st choice goalie is a rather important position I would say, as well as the central defender to partner Verminator. We take a risk in leaving it late on these requirements, if it’s only a question of price negotitations I don’t think it is worth it. If it is because we are hoping for even better players to become available, then ok. Time will tell.

      • santori says:

        Absolutely.

        It isn’t good going into a campaign not knowing who your first choice keeper is. (Particularly when the central defensive pairing is entirely new)

        OTOH, FAbianski is still not as good as Almunia. IF the new keeper gets injured, we are left dependent on our junior keepers (again)

      • GBG gunner says:

        I agree with you on Fabianski. We should let him leave, he is not good enough. But will Almunia settle as no2?
        would be nice if he did. Since he was given some credit by starting yeasterday game who knows, he might accept it if no good offers come along.
        Personally I found Manone to be a good back-up, he took very few risks, which is good thinking when you are back up, as your timing will not be 100%. Fabianski takes all kinds of risks, and gets caught due to bad timing. He should be sent on loan or sold.

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